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Reflecting on Memorial Day: An Educator's View on Heroism, History, and Gratitude
When history and politics teacher Chad Reed shared his perspective on Memorial Day, it was clear that this would be an extraordinary journey through the eyes of a passionate educator. He brought the story of Todd Love, a triple amputee veteran, to life, challenging our views on heroism and how personal experiences can transform our understanding of the world. As we delved into the meaning of Memorial Day, we found ourselves deeply appreciating the sacrifices made by those who have given their lives for our country—a sentiment that echoed throughout our conversation.
Chad highlighted the challenge of fostering a love for history among today's youth amid the distractions of digital media. He emphasized the crucial role of factual knowledge as the foundation for critical thinking, stressing the importance of guiding the next generation to discern truth in an era dominated by entertainment. Our discussion touched on the transformative power of historical narratives and the collective responsibility to help young people navigate the flood of online content.
When history and politics teacher Chad Reed shared his perspective on Memorial Day, it was clear that this would be an extraordinary journey through the eyes of a passionate educator. He brought the story of Todd Love, a triple amputee veteran, to life, challenging our views on heroism and how personal experiences can transform our understanding of the world. As we delved into the meaning of Memorial Day, we found ourselves deeply appreciating the sacrifices made by those who have given their lives for our country—a sentiment that echoed throughout our conversation.
Chad highlighted the challenge of fostering a love for history among today's youth amid the distractions of digital media. He emphasized the crucial role of factual knowledge as the foundation for critical thinking, stressing the importance of guiding the next generation to discern truth in an era dominated by entertainment. Our discussion touched on the transformative power of historical narratives and the collective responsibility to help young people navigate the flood of online content.
Perspective. Perspective is spelled P-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E. Perspective the 30,000 foot view. Perspective put on someone else's shoes. Perspective can also refer to the state of existing in space or one's view of the world. Perspective R-E-A audio.
Speaker 2:Reemployability. People that have lived in Florida for a while understand that you get used to having prehistoric animals living near you all the time. The closest living things that resemble dinosaurs will cross the street in front of your car, sun themselves beside any body of water, and stare at you, half-submerged in the pond behind your house. My daughter even named the one she passes on the way to the bus stop every morning. Gary the gator and his friends have been around way before we got here, so the laws in Florida only allow alligators to be removed if they're considered a quote nuisance. A little over 10 years ago there was a show on Animal Planet called Gator Boys. It was a reality show that followed a team of alligator trappers who would humanely catch nuisance gators and keep them in an alligator park in Southern Florida or release them into the Everglades. My family was a big fan of the show you can still stream it and my youngest daughter came across old episodes a few weeks ago. One episode that I particularly remembered was called Warrior Gator. The Gator Boys found out about a triple amputee veteran who has a dream to be able to wrestle an alligator. Todd Love was a recon Marine who lost both legs and part of his arm when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan, who lost both legs and part of his arm when he stepped on a landmine in Afghanistan. In his recovery, todd has learned to live with a passion that is unmatched by most people who still have their arms and legs. So the Gator Boys bring him onto the show to give him an opportunity to wrestle a gator.
Speaker 2:There's a part in the show where Jimmy, one of the Gator Boys, talks to Todd about his experiences and Todd says something that really highlights the lack of perspective that many of us have who've never experienced combat or severe injury. I'm paraphrasing here, but basically what he says is that people call me a hero, but to me, it's the people who didn't give up on me who are the real heroes. When I got blown up, he says everyone thought I was dead, but they didn't give up on me. I didn't do anything but kind of lay there. Those people may still have their arms and legs, but they're the ones who are the real heroes. Well, it got me thinking about heroes and how being a hero has everything to do with perspective. We can all probably name several personal heroes, but have you ever really thought about why they're your hero.
Speaker 2:Memorial Day is coming up in a few weeks and I sometimes think that it's a very misunderstood day on the American calendar. It's kind of hard to call it a holiday, because holiday invokes a sense of celebration. It's really not what Memorial Day is about a sense of celebration. That's really not what Memorial Day is about. This week on REA Audio, we're fortunate to have Chad Reed, a US history and politics teacher at Wharton High School here in the Tampa Bay area. He's going to give us some insights on what Memorial Day is and what it isn't, the differences between it and Veterans Day, and why it truly is so much more than just the official start of summer.
Speaker 1:Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for honoring and mourning the US military personnel who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces.
Speaker 3:You know my path was not teaching. You know I didn't know how far you wanted to go into that. You know teaching was never even on the radar. Actually, law enforcement was what I really wanted to go into and I was thinking about. It was interesting to me how that path went. I went to school, I got my criminology degree at USF and actually the one thing that changed my direction in education was an injury. I was on scholarship with the Tampa Police Department on direct path to go be in law enforcement with TPD and injured my knee in defensive tactics and just realized that day that it was kind of over for me as far as that level and that career path, and so it was pretty devastating. It was right around 9-11. When 9-11 happened. You know there was that. It was the big push to get people to go serve and and I think I think the only reason I didn't serve is because my knee my knee was just done and we had just had my daughter. My daughter was just born and so I was just searching. So I used my degree in criminology. I went and became a probation officer for a couple of years and while I did that I just thought about.
Speaker 3:You know how I grew up. My dad was a history teacher. I grew up basically on Civil War battlefields, you know. We would go on trips. My family lived in Pennsylvania my dad's family and if we were going driving north we hit probably two or three battlefields on the way up. I spent very important times of my summers on Gettysburg, at Gettysburg, and it just became part of my life. And so when I was looking for an opportunity of what, or looking for guidance about what I was going to do with my life, I just said you know, I'm going to do teaching, I'm going to try teaching. And so I went and got my master's in social science.
Speaker 3:And while getting my master's in social science, I met the department head at Wharton and she said you know, we're looking for some teachers and we need somebody that wants to teach APUS history, because nobody wanted to teach it. And I said I'm dumb enough to teach it, Throw me in. And that was that. And that was 20 years ago. Wow. So I started teaching APUS 20 years ago and loved it, Loved US history. I dove right in and I just fell in love with it and I hit my stride.
Speaker 3:You know I was working with kids, who I believe are the founder of youth. I think if you work with kids, they just they keep you young, and I was able to teach about something that I truly believe in is important. Believe in is important and I believe it's important for kids to know, Because I think if you don't, if you're not in touch with your history, you lose so much about who you are, and I think history is such a foundational thing. I think that science and math are good, but they teach science and math everywhere. You know you can learn science and math in North Korea, you can learn science and math in China, but you can't learn freedom and you can't learn individual liberty and you don't learn things like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You know, and I think that that's why my discipline and not being proud, but the discipline of social studies, the discipline of US history, is so supremely important for these kids.
Speaker 2:Well and that's really a good transition into you know what we want to talk about here is. You know the fact that Memorial Day is something that I think there's a lot of confusion about. So hopefully through the podcast, maybe some people learn a little bit about Memorial Day. So what did you find out about Memorial Day, what did you know about it and why is it so important for us?
Speaker 3:What I was interested to find out, though, is that it was kind of a local ceremony. They started it as a nonspecific holiday to celebrate the veterans of not the veterans, but the dead of the Civil War, but they made sure they celebrated it on a day I'm going to insert my notes here because I want to make sure this is right. They celebrated on a day May 30th 1868, and they made sure it was a day that didn't have a specific battle, so that it didn't it didn't lean on any kind of a very. It was still a very tumultuous time period in American history 1868, that's only three days after, or three years after, the end of the Civil War, and so they're still trying to create some kind of cohesiveness. I believe it was Grover Cleveland, who was a general during the Civil War and later gave, I believe, the first speech at that first, what they called the Decoration Day. They called it Decoration Day, not Memorial Day, but it was more through history, it was more of a locally celebrated memorial.
Speaker 3:It was you would celebrate the people from your local community, those men that had died or those casualties that had come because of those particular events, and this is something that we, I think that we miss, even now because of the way the nation has developed. Sometimes we miss the fact that these are towns, these are small towns, these are very concentrated areas where men would march out to go fight and then they would not all come back and so they were a very concentrated sadness where your population in those towns and in those cities would be devastated. I think that's what we miss sometimes when we do Memorial Day here. I think that's why it's easy sometimes to have a barbecue or get. Now I read an article where it said it's like one of the largest travel days. People see it as a vacation day because we don't feel the hit, unless we're attached to somebody that has, that has been affected directly by a loss because of, because of their service well, you know, you hear now about some people, like in neighbors.
Speaker 2:You don't even know your neighbor's name in some cases. Yeah, like it's, it's that disjointed. And to have a, a town where, um, if you know, three of the ten men that march off don't come back. Maybe the general store doesn't open again and there's supplies that are right. So definitely much more impactful. It's funny. You said Decoration Day. My grandmother used to call it Decoration Day.
Speaker 2:You just gave me a big flashback from like 1980. Memorial Day is something that we want to be able to I don't want to say the word celebrate. That's where it gets kind of weird, because it's like you want to memorialize, you want to remember things, and it's a solemn day, right, and we don't. I don't think, as a country, we always understand that right, and there's a difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day, right? Veterans Day, you want to celebrate the service somebody provided for you.
Speaker 3:The greatest misconception a lot of times and I don't think it's necessarily on purpose, but I think the greatest misconception is the difference between what Memorial Day and what Veterans Day is. You know, memorial Day is that day that we solemnly memorialize those who paid the last full measure, the ones that did not come back. Veterans Day is for those who have committed to that service and have served honorably in those recognized branches of service.
Speaker 2:So you had mentioned you've been teaching for 20 years. Yes, plus right, a little more than 20. Give?
Speaker 3:or take.
Speaker 2:I don't want to get, so it's 22 on the record, 22 at Whartonon I am sure that I am sure that you have seen a lot of changes in the students that you've been with right in the past 20 years yeah and and there's and and I certainly don't want to get political, because it could be very easy to do that when we talk about this but how have you seen the kids change?
Speaker 2:and what sort of strategies? How do you get kids interested in things that you know? There's so much focus on science and math, and you know how you have to excel in those things. And not that they're not important, because there are, they are. But to me, the knowledge of history really can affect the direction in which this country goes, and that's super important. You can know all the science in the world, but if you don't have freedom, you're not going to be able to utilize it. How do you do that? How do you get kids interested?
Speaker 3:You know, again, this is a generational thing and I joke with my students sometimes because I, you know, I always tell them I don't want to be the old guy going oh, these kids these days, you know, you don't, you don't want to be that guy, and I always tell them, you know, I say you know, the kids are what the parents allow them to be. The kids are what society allows them to be. Kids are only going to do what they're allowed to do. Kids are going to believe what they're given to believe. But these kids are inquisitive and I think social media has such a major role to play in how a lot of these kids are developing. And I think social media has its benefits and I think it has its drawbacks and I think a lot of it has to do with what they're being exposed to. When I get into, like, the history of things and this is what concerns me a little bit about the kids is that there's so much information out there, like I had them read an article where it talked about how teachers were once the internet became available to all the students that teachers were going to be obsolete, became available to all the students that teachers were going to be obsolete because all the information was going to be available and people were so desirable of information that they were going to teach themselves and that the education profession was going to be obsolete. And this was an article that came out, I think in the mid 1990s, right around the internet boom, and and I showed them this article and I said, and I said now, what is it? What is the last 10 things that you've watched or looked at on your phone? Have they been education driven? And then I make a joke like, like how many of them had a cat in them? Or just just to kind of make a point, you know, what is it that drives your curiosity? You know, do you want to be entertained or do you want to be educated? Yeah, you know. And so it's like some of these kids are really curious about things they want to know.
Speaker 3:But what's driving the algorithm? What is it behind it that's pushing the information to them? And that's the part I think that concerns me about the kids. Like with anything, what is your baseline of knowledge? Like history, if we use history, how much real history do you know? Like with anything, what is your baseline of knowledge? Like history, if we use history. How much real history do you know?
Speaker 3:So when you come across somebody on a podcast not on a podcast but on a social media, tiktok or something like that are you able to run that through a process of knowledge? Can you determine what they're saying is true based on your knowledge of the content? And I think it comes back a lot to education and I'm not trying to lose my job on this podcast, but I think it comes down to a lot of times we push higher order thinking and education so much that we've lost the knowledge base. Like we push them to think you got to think higher order, you think higher order and I've, with the last 15 years, I've been. Well, you can't get a kid to teach to think higher order if they don't have a baseline of knowledge. Right, well, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's a good point, because you know, even in talking about Memorial Day like, how much it's changed over the years, right? So you mentioned that originally it was a localized thing and it was really to memorialize those. You know, ed, from down the street that didn't come back from the Civil War, right To something now where you see a bunch of flags in a in a in a cemetery and you got the day off. Right, it's Monday off, well, off, well 70.
Speaker 3:Well, it's vietnam really, because, because 68, they, they pushed it as a national holiday and in 71 it becomes a federal holiday and really, they, they push it to a monday and then, when you read more about it, it's so they could have a three-day holiday, three-day for federal employees. And then you're like well, what was the main reason to have them? You know, what was the main reason to have Memorial?
Speaker 3:Day that was really to memorialize those who, those who gave the last full measure? Or was it to give federal employees a three day weekend? And then, when you look at the date of it, 71, the nation is on fire. I mean, we're in the middle of Nixon's first term yeah, first term. I mean he's under scrutiny. You're still in Vietnam, you're having the Cambodia issues and things like that, and we got a Congress that's passing a bill. That's. I wrote it down. I was amazed by what they called this bill. It was called something Monday. Oh, it was called the Uniform Monday Holiday Act. Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2:Uniform.
Speaker 3:Monday Like it had to be on a Monday so they could have a three day federal holiday.
Speaker 2:But that's a good point, because you talk about a baseline of knowledge and your baseline of knowledge in 1870 is much different than your baseline knowledge in 1970 without a doubt right, and so history is kind of in flux, so like what is true and what isn't true?
Speaker 2:and that's what's challenging I think now is when you do watch something on tiktok and you compare it against all the things that you've learned in the past, how do kids define what the truth is and what the truth isn't? Right? Because history is written by the victor, right. So had the US lost World War II, we'd have a much different history that we'd be taught now, right? So do you get a lot of questions? Do kids think that deep? Are they like well, do they ask you in return, mr Reed? Why is it that deep? Are they like well, do they ask you in return, mr Reid, why is it that?
Speaker 3:way. Yeah, I mean you get sometimes. This is the sad thing about recent is because I think they are getting influx with information. You don't get as many of those questions as you used to. You'd be amazed at the type of questions we get and the debates that we have about, about stuff that you would think would be would be solidified in historical narrative, and they bring it up and you're like I didn't even think we were debating that. You know why are we debating something that, number one, it really holds? No, would, it know, in no way change the direction of American history. But we want to debate it for some narrative reason. One of them is Helen Keller. They wanted, they want to debate whether Helen Keller existed, like whether she was really disabled, and I'm like, number one, I wasn't alive. I have no way to test that, number one, I wasn't alive. I have no way to test that. But in what way does it change the course of history? Why is that something that you guys want to debate? Let's talk about something else here.
Speaker 2:It's funny, you bring that up because my daughter Brooke, like just the other day I don't even know how it came up, but she, we, oh, you know what it was we were talking about we were talking about the Kennedyedy assassination, oh lord and I, yeah, I know great dinner conversation at our house oh, it's great, we were talking about it and somehow she was. We were talking about the cia and everything and she's like, yeah, it's kind of like helen keller I don't know if she's really really a person and I'm like, like what.
Speaker 1:Where did that?
Speaker 2:ever even come from. So it's funny that you bring that up. And, yeah, the things that that are side tracking people. I think it's all kind of like a hey, look over there while we do stuff over here, and well you know.
Speaker 3:that's the other thing too. I mean it's like you know when you think about you know bread and circuses and things like that. I mean that that you know when you think about you know bread and circuses and things like that. I mean that you know I've always been somebody that's been a rational thinker. I'm not.
Speaker 3:You don't have to dig very far to find conspiracy theorists and things of this nature, especially when you're teaching history. It doesn't take much to connect dots that may or may not be there. It doesn't take much to connect dots that may or may not be there. But when you go back to your initial question about you know the victors write the history. You're not wrong about that. But I think over the last few decades, I think that historians have tried to make attempts to connect. You know the fact that some pretty dodgy things have been done over history by the victors and those things may need to be corrected or at least be addressed. But here's the thing, those things that need to be addressed and yes, they need to be addressed, but we need to make sure that they're done from a point of true history.
Speaker 3:You know there's points that historically have been accentuated and exaggerated to try and push a modern political narrative. That may not necessarily be at the point that some people want them to be. Sometimes on my Facebook I'll follow groups that I may not necessarily agree with, but I want to hear their narrative. I want to hear what angles that they're that they're bringing, and sometimes they make very good points, but sometimes it's like, okay, well, I'm going to go do a little research on your point here, because I don't think this is necessarily true and a lot of times it's not, but it's trying to push a narrative to promote their particular agenda. I'm willing to do the research, but how many people are not willing to do that? And that's what concerns me, because over the last several years, especially in academia, at the higher levels especially, and in some cases in high school, people have agendas, they have things that they want to promote, and I'm not saying that they're all bad. Agendas are agendas, though Everybody has some sort of agenda. Some are good, some are bad, but in saying that, a lot of times when we go and start digging into these things, there's a lot of bad that comes out of that too. You know, like, for example and I think we talked about this when we were planning this podcast is there's something to be said about a foundational understanding of people in history that were important to the uniqueness of the United States.
Speaker 3:And one of the things that concerns me about the approach sometimes that's taken in trying to make history right is we go after the worst parts of people's lives and, in that, undermine all the good they've ever done. And I've had these discussions with kids before about do you want to be judged by the worst thing you've ever done in your life on a daily basis? Do you want your whole life to be determined by something that you did, the worst thing that you ever did? You could have done everything good in your whole life, but the one thing, this one thing that you have done right.
Speaker 3:And in some situations, like with the founding fathers and I was thinking about three men in particular Washington, jefferson and even Lincoln Washington and Jefferson, the two slave owners, slave owners in a time when slave owning was an acceptable practice in American history, something that was held over from British colonization Obviously not anywhere near acceptable in American history at this time. And things were done, things had to happen in American history to bring that terrible institution to an end. But you look at a guy like Washington, who was able to establish a nation that is unique in the annals of world history, was able to bring a nation, was able to defeat the greatest army in the world at that time, you know, was able to walk away from power twice when they were trying to, once when they were trying to make him king and then once when they wanted to make him president, until the day he turned to dust, I mean, and established a precedent that would last until Franklin Roosevelt. You know, and did some things that established and set the tone for the United States for, you know, centuries to come. You know, is there a middle ground there where we can go? This man did so much good. Can we, can we understand that? You know? Maybe we can find a middle ground and balance that out, but there are people in academia that that totally want to discount him.
Speaker 3:You know all the good that he ever did because he, because he owned slaves, and Jefferson's the same way Jefferson. You know the the good that he ever did because he owned slaves, and Jefferson's the same way Jefferson. You know the man that brought us. You know basically every fundamental principle that brought an end to the institution of slavery. The concepts that are found in the 14th Amendment life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. The protections of due process, equal protection all men are created equal. The protections of due process, equal protection all men are created equal. And even though he didn't end slavery, his pen brought those principles that will bring an end to the institution. It's very hard to judge somebody in their time period for something they were doing that was seen as acceptable and then drag them throughout history to a time period where it's not.
Speaker 2:and then hold them accountable for that sin. But you know chad too. One of the things we started out this podcast talking about heroes and there's all different kinds and levels of heroes and your perspective on what makes a hero maybe very different than my perspective oh, no doubt and you know I wanted to talk to you about memorial day and some of the forgotten holidays and kind of the differences, and and really implement some talk about history.
Speaker 2:Because my daughter is in your class, right, and you know, you know, all year all I've heard about is Mr Reed. Mr Reed, and she looks up to you because of the way that you teach and the way that you listen, right, and the way that you listen to the students and to me. I look at you and this sounds like hokey. I don't mean it to sound hokey, but I look at you as a hero, as a voice to try to bring some reality, perspective to kids at a very, very malleable age, Right, and and and a lot of these kids we were talking a little bit before we started recording you know the kids. Some of them are going to college now as seniors, Some of them are going into the military, Some of them are are not going to do anything.
Speaker 2:I mean there's they run the gamut of things that they're going to do next week, right, Because this is the last week of school, and so to know that somebody like you really obviously loves what you do and and cares about the kids and gives them a perspective that may be very different than what a lot of them are going to see when they go into a university situation. Hopefully, you've taught them to to think and ask questions, and I think that's that's really all you can do, right? I mean, I'm a dad, I got three kids. I've tried to point them in the right direction, and you only. God only leases them to you for a little while, right?
Speaker 2:You just do the best you can and and and. So I I appreciate that and I think, from my perspective, you are a a hero in that little way that you have helped impact my daughter and all the kids that I know you've impacted. So you are appreciated. My wife's a teacher. I know what it's like to deal with, what you all deal with, so I just want to say thank you and thank you for your perspective on Memorial Day, and hopefully folks that listen to this will understand that Congress tried to slip one by us. I wish they'd have done a Friday, though. Instead of a Monday, I'd rather have a Friday off. I want to finish up by asking you are there any holidays that you think we have now in the US that need to be leveled upa little bit for people to understand why we have them?
Speaker 3:One of the holidays that I make sure I talk about, especially in my ACE class, because we talk about the Civil War a lot. It's Thanksgiving. A lot of people miss the fact of why we do Thanksgiving. A lot of people assume that it's just like the pilgrims and you know everybody makes the paper hats and and it's been a holiday that has really been under attack, you know, because of, because of the concerns of the indigenous peoples, and then you know, and then, obviously, history issues with the way they were treated and and the very touchy back and forth between the government and the way most tribes have been treated and now where we're at historically.
Speaker 3:But what I like to emphasize too is also why it is part of our historical narrative and why it is a holiday at the federal level, and that goes back, and it's that idea about even in the midst of this tumultuous conflict, lincoln saw fit to institute a holiday where, even in the midst of this war, where the nation is split in half, that we gave thanks for the things that we had in this country. And I think this speaks back to Memorial Day, because here in the Civil War, we have two sides of this great nation that are fighting against each other in a disagreement over something that is a scar that we're going to carry for a very long time, and yet still we have the principles that exist, that are going to be able to carry us into the next century and beyond, again, going back to those principles of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, that all men are created equal and the thankfulness that we can have that these principles are going to continue into wherever this, this, this nation is going to go and that, and that those principles should be protected and they're multicultural and they're diverse. That it's all. It's all. Peoples, you come here to this, you come here to this country, and these principles apply, that you don't have to look like me, you don't have to look like you, you don't have to look like anybody. It's't have to look like you, you don't have to look like anybody, it's, it's you. You come to this country, you walk on this soil and it applies to you. And I know that they've tried this at the at the UN. I know they've tried the human rights and things like that, but they don't get it. They don't. They just don't get it like we get it. Here.
Speaker 3:I have a neighbor and just really I probably give me one second I have a neighbor that's Kurdish. He served in the American military in Kurdistan. He is probably the most patriotic man I've ever met. He talks to me about how he became an American citizen. He had to go out and find relatives in the middle of the desert. How he became an American citizen. He had to go out and find relatives in the middle of the desert, to tip over tents, to get, to get paperwork, to get names to get information.
Speaker 3:He's got his kids here, he's got his wife here. He he's got to be one of the proudest, proudest Americans I've ever met. That is that is what Thanksgiving to me is about. That is what Thanksgiving to me is about, because he was able to come here and just plug right in to this idea that number one all men are created equal and that he's here enjoying his life, his freedom and his right to pursue whatever is going to make him happy. And that, to me, is the holiday that Thanksgiving is the holiday for me that I think people should. Really, it's not about Black Friday. It's about giving thanks for the uniqueness of this nation that is the United States.
Speaker 2:And that goes back to giving thanks for the things that people gave their ultimate sacrifice for Memorial Day. Yeah for sure. Well, you get two days for Thanksgiving. So now, now, chad, I so appreciate your time. It was fantastic to talk to you, and Thanksgiving is like my favorite holiday too, and because your kids.
Speaker 3:It's because of your kids time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot of family. You know I like the family thing, but yeah, and we do. We often forget how grateful we should be for all the things that we have. Alexa, do you celebrate Memorial Day?
Speaker 1:ask me to sing a patriotic song. I don't know if you consider yourself a hero. Most people don't.
Speaker 2:I don't consider myself a hero. Do you ever notice when somebody does something extraordinary and is interviewed on the news? In most cases, they say I'd do what anyone else would do. We've brought this up on REA Audio before. You never know if something you do or say will make you a hero to someone else. It's all about perspective and you have that opportunity every day. Thanks for listening to REA Audio. Please make sure to follow us on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts. We appreciate you. Have a great rest of your week.