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Labor Day: The History and Impact of America's Workers
Ever wondered about the true significance of Labor Day beyond barbecues and retail sales? Join us as we uncover the rich history and enduring impact of this pivotal holiday with the help of our favorite educator, Chad Reed. Together, we explore the post-Civil War era and the rise of labor unions as a force against worker exploitation, shining a light on critical events such as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877 and the Haymarket Square riot. This episode provides a deep dive into how industrialization shaped labor movements and laid the groundwork for the rights and protections we often take for granted today.
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Speaker 2:Perspective rea audio space or one's view of the world. Perspective. Rea Audio Reemployability. Well, you're probably already writing your out-of-office message and getting your boat, maybe your barbecue, ready, maybe you'll go buy some furniture or maybe a car this weekend. Perhaps this is the weekend that you finish your school shopping. In Florida and a bunch of other states it's the first day off for students and teachers of the year. You got? It're talking about labor day, the first monday of every september, where we officially close out summer and start seeing christmas decorations in the stores. Well, I invited my favorite high school teacher and good friend, chad reed, to join us this episode to talk about the history behind labor day and why we should be more grateful for this holiday than just for the sales. The story behind Labor Day still impacts us today.
Speaker 1:Americans eat about 7 billion hot dogs between Memorial Day weekend and Labor Day.
Speaker 2:You know, again, labor Day is one of those Mondays that you get off and most people don't really know why. Right, it's the end of the summer and football season started, so clean the barbecue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I did a little bit of research. I was looking. I found the the labor department's website has some really good information on Labor Day, but I thought it would be fun to talk to you a little bit about it and get your insights, especially since Labor Day was so union, or you know it's so. Union focused in how it all started and everything, and in my world, in workers' compensation. You know we talk to a lot of risk managers and people on the employer side of things who aren't always super jazzed about working with labor.
Speaker 2:Protagonists yeah, I mean I'm going to be really, really uh, as even kill as possible. We're not taking sides here. But the reality is that that labor and employers are many times at odds with each other and so um and so sometimes like the program that we have where we place injured workers into non-profits for modified duty um, sometimes unions don't understand it and so right away aren't super jazzed about it, but then we have other unions we work with that love it for certain reasons. So what can you tell us a little bit about what you know as a history teacher about Labor Day? Like, what's it all about? How did it start?
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, you have a whole history really, really after the Civil War. You know, before the Civil War you had this conflict of what the focus was going to be economically between industry and agriculture. After the Civil War you know that obviously the South took a hit and the North kind of caught its stride. We were obviously, 60 to 70 years after, behind the British, so to speak from an industrial standpoint, right yeah thank you from an industrial standpoint and so.
Speaker 3:but with the rapid acceleration that occurs post civil war in industry, with invention and accessibility electricity, you know, you don't have to be by a waterway anymore because that used to be steam-powered. Now you can kind of build things where you can get electricity. Obviously industry began to ramp up and you have this massive amount of people that really started coming in before the Civil War. When the Civil War is over they go into the factories and now they're working. And so the business owners had this massive amount of labor. And with that massive amount of labor came, you know, the idea that they, you know in part that they were dispensable. You know, if somebody got hurt you didn't really have to worry about it because there was, you know, 100 people waiting to get that job. And so there is kind of a history of business owners not taking into account the labor aspect of their business. You know it's like they knew they needed workers but because they had this massive amount of workers they just kind of treated them as disposable.
Speaker 3:You know there wasn't really a lot of social capital studies going around you know, like knowing the mentality and methodology, and so what began to happen is just just what normally happens like they're being abused or misused and collectively came together to form in one voice a pushback against these business owners. And you have these like hot spots that take place after the Civil War. The first great one and it's no lie, it's called the Great Railroad Strike was, I believe, 1877, which was a pushback against Vanderbilt's nationalization of the railroad. And you have this strike, and this is kind of the continuous thing, where government, the federal government, sees the business owners as the positive or the ones that are being affected negatively, and the workers, as you know, this ragtag group of people who are trying to affect progress.
Speaker 2:Well, follow the money, right. I mean, where's the money coming from?
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, yes, definitely during that time there's a lot of money flowing through the Senate at that time, which goes to a whole another event that takes place in the early 1900s.
Speaker 3:But you have this history of labor. And now we can't discount what's going on globally either. There's movements all over the world, there's mindsets of, you know, the proletariat bourgeoisie. There's this underlying theme that's going on. That really is kind of illuminated by what a lot of people are perceiving in America.
Speaker 3:And then you'd have, you know, in a capitalist system you have up and down economies, and then the business owners, when the economy was good, they would hire people, people would work. When the economy went bad, to cut costs, they reduced the workforce. And that, you know, when you have a whole bunch of people dependent on that work, you know it goes down, the morale goes down and the desire to be treated better comes up. And so hence you have unions, but you have events.
Speaker 3:One of them was the Haymarket Square riot in Chicago, where I believe it was the I don't think it was, it might've been McCormick, I don't think it was John Deere, but it was a farm equipment factory. They were making farm equipment and they were having this big display of disapproval about how they were being treated. And it was a very violent event. I mean, there was, there were bombs going off, there were people getting shot by the police in Chicago. There was, there was a trial where you know some people were. I believe there was a couple that were hung and basically, just you know, put on display, and a lot of people believe that that's kind of where this seed of the Labor Day idea began to grow.
Speaker 2:It was about appreciation, though, right, it was about appreciation for the work that people put in for, in many cases, not necessarily the compensation that they deserved, right yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean. But you have to remember too, though, you know a lot of people that came here to work industry, even though they weren't making a lot of money, they were making more money than most people globally, you know, and that, well, that was a trend for a very long time, but it was about you know what? Where are my protections? You know where? Where am I? Where's my? I mean, I guess nobody has job security, but where is there like a net or a safety net to help me if I lose my job For no reason? Remember, these people aren't like lollygagging.
Speaker 3:You know, they're working seven-day weeks, they're working massive amounts of hours, they're not slackers by any stretch of the imagination, and yet they still have a high propensity of, when the economy goes down, they lose their jobs.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:You know and so you can. Yeah, you know. Whether you're pro or not pro union, you still kind of can feel the concern of the worker. Yeah, and so it was?
Speaker 2:it was almost like safety in numbers, right? I mean, the unions were created because I have more power if it's 50 of me against the boss than if it's just me against the boss, right? So it was about bringing people together so that they had a common cause and could fight together for the safety Like I think about. There was the. I'm going to miss, I'm going to say the wrong name, but there was a fire at a textile mill in the early triangle Sure Waste factor.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly Right, wrong name, but there was a fire at a textile mill in the early 90s, the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:Right. So I mean, we're not just talking about, you know, crazy hours that they were making people work. We're talking about, like locking doors so people can't get out, and then there's a fire and people burn to death Like real stuff.
Speaker 3:Well, because you know in that story alone that's early 1900s, I mean we're steeped in what is then called the progressive movement, where actually we fast forward a little bit because you have government beginning to kind of show sympathy, at least to an extent, to the labor movement, and the man that does that is Theodore Roosevelt. You know, theodore Roosevelt is kind of the first president that kind of leans in. There's a huge strike at the Anthracite coal mill I think it's in Pennsylvania somewhere and there's this big argument and fight between the owners of the mines and the people that are actually going in to get the coal and all they wanted was really better pay and better working and that that kind of is the trend better pay, better working conditions, shorter hours. And they wanted something to happen. And what had been the trend, you know, really up to this point, is that the government kind of came in on the side of the, you know, business owner.
Speaker 3:And this is the first time really in history where you have a president, theodore Roosevelt, who acts as an arbiter, brings in the head of the union and brings in the head of the ownership of the mine and sits them down at a table and goes okay, how are we going to fix this? Because the country needs the coal that you're mining. And he found and you can read this he found that the people that would not budge were the mine owners. They just would not budge. And the representative from the workers was trying to make things work. And finally Roosevelt said look, and this is this, is this is a huge step and makes me uncomfortable when I say this. But Roosevelt goes look, we'll just nationalize your mind, we'll just take it over until you can figure out how to fix this issue.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 3:And eventually it works out. I'm not personally a big fan of nationalization, but you can kind of understand roosevelt's frustration.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at that point and in this this is a totally different. But I I remember back in the 80s when, uh, the the airline air traffic controllers went on strike, right, because that's a union, and um, and I remember president reagan, because they wouldn't settle, like fired all the air traffic controllers. I had an uncle that was an air traffic controller and lost his job. Really good, really good gig he had. He would. He he was in puerto rico, land in plains, as an air traffic. I'm like talk about a cool gig and he, you know, obviously part of the union, he sided with the folks in the union and lost his job. But but that was another one of those situations, kind of like the coal was like we need these people in order to operate our country. Same thing with the coal back in those days. And there's a lot of things going on right now. You think about, like during covid, when the truck drivers had their thing going on where they was up in Canada.
Speaker 2:Yeah, remember that. And I mean labor really has the ability to shut down the economy. And I think we all learned during COVID everything connected Right, you can't not have trucking.
Speaker 3:You can't not have gas because you don't have gas, it turns into not having dinner tonight, right, you know so all those things are straddling something to your straddling public sector versus private sector, unionization, which is a whole nother discussion. You know you know the concerns about. You know if you're, if you're, private sector, yes, keeping keeping private businesses accountable, because they're really only accountable to themselves, but then, but then on the on the public side, who are you suing? You know who are you putting the pressure on. You know you're paid compensating by the taxpayer. You're, you know obviously your concern is who you're employed by. But in effect, you know, who are you really holding, you know, hostage?
Speaker 3:I guess for lack of a better word. I guess you know that's the. Again, when you go back to the Reagan situation with the air traffic controllers, you know that's a. I believe that that was a public sector issue and so it's, you know. Now you're talking about navigating a whole other you know situation, a whole other you know event. So there's a lot, there's a lot of moving pieces.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure what. So I was doing a little bit of research on on labor days and I, as I think I mentioned I, went on to the uh, the department of labor website and um. So they were talking about how labor day, you know, um had actually been recognized by certain states, um before it became a national holiday and um, the states kind of followed up on each other and then ended up becoming a national holiday. I believe it was in the late 1800s. I saw some pictures of the first Labor Day. I want to say it was like 1892. Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 3:Close 1894.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, would I get credit for that? I would give you. You're close enough.
Speaker 2:It's funny, though the picture looks almost like a strike and like all the different unions are represented and they have their placards and they're they're walking along. So so I guess you know. As a kid I remember my parents saying you know, labor Day, it's the day that we celebrate workers and working people in the country, and that's. That was really it. I guess I didn't realize how rooted it was in in in unions and and and that part of it. So you know it's. Is it surprising to you that, because it's become so political, right, unions, non-unions I feel like you know we were talking about comparative politics, right? I don't know if that's something that you cover in your class or not. I says that you know all about unions, so that's why I'm throwing that out there to you. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:So much pressure so how do you like so? Do you think people don't necessarily care too much about why Labor Day is here anymore, like we're just because we got a Monday off? Do you talk about that in your class? Do you explain the background behind these things? Do you just not have time? It just seems like because it's so political yeah, easy for me to say politicized now that that there may be more questions about well, how come we get Labor Day off but we don't have this off? You know it's, it's something that's kind of accepted in our country now.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean we, you know, in my, in my US history class I teach now the ace class. You know, part of that, part of that study is labor. I mean, the British, you know, the British write the curriculum or whatever and they have their own like history of Labor Day and things like that. But I think, I think the importance of Labor Day is the history of it. I mean I can teach you without getting into the politicized aspect of today, because there were benefits to it. Now, the debate today is a whole other debate, but there is no denying that without the labor movement, you know, starting with the Knights of Labor and then the American Federation of Labor, which is still around today, they've joined forces with the CIO, the Congress on Industrial Organizations, I think that's what it's called, and so you have the AFL-CIO, which is one of the more powerful unions in the country.
Speaker 3:But without those organizations, I mean, you don't have things like, like, uh, workers' compensation, um, uh, unemployment, um, uh, you don't. You don't have uh protections, you don't. You don't have where the boss can make you work, you know, 24 hours a day, you know, and your wages went up, like I said and earlier, and and so, and the safety. You brought up the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory. The safety, I mean, what was it? I'm thinking the things are just popping in my head now, but the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, that was one of the most horrific events and I believe in New York City more people, I think the next I got to say this correctly it was the most deaths in one event in New York. It was the most events in one event in New York until 9-11. I mean, it was that terrible.
Speaker 3:And so you know they didn't have a fire department. They didn't have, or at least they didn't have a ladder to reach to the floor. They didn't have fire escapes.
Speaker 2:They didn't have fire alarms.
Speaker 3:They didn't have fire alarms, all of these things, you know, sometimes we just see them as like safety measures, but a lot of times they're labor measures. People are going to be working in that building and they need to feel there needs to be a level of safety there. And so even things like fire alarm systems, sprinkler systems. You know you can give appreciation to that early labor movement. Child labor restrictions. You know it's. There's no denying the fact that the labor movement and is has been beneficial to everybody that works has been beneficial to everybody that works.
Speaker 3:Whether you think it's beneficial now is totally up to your politics, your ideology, but there is no real arguing that the benefits that we see, the pressure that was put on businesses, the pressure that was put on the government to look after its citizens Listen, you go back to the Declaration of Independence. The government's responsibility is to protect our life, liberty and our pursuit of happiness. Well, if people are dying on the job because things aren't safe, you know it's hard for me and I'm like middle center right here it's hard for me to say that government doesn't serve a role in making sure people are safe and if that means that people have to use and honestly Todd the right to assemble is a First Amendment right. And these workers, what they did is they weren't doing anything out of the Constitution, they weren't doing anything extra, they were practicing a First Amendment right of assembly and it paid off dividends for them and it wasn't easy.
Speaker 3:1894, that year that they made it federal under Grover Cleveland. That was one of the worst labor unrest in American history. It was in Pullman, illinois. It was the Pullman Palace Car Company, which did some great things. But George Pullman was one of these guys that wanted to control everything. I mean it was in Pullman Illinois. The city was named after him, everything was in that city. His workers had to live there and while the economy was great, everything was good.
Speaker 2:But when the?
Speaker 3:economy went down, he began to do what a lot of owners did and the people pushed back. But it was bloody, it was deadly and a lot of people credit, not positively, but credit that event with the push for a national day to celebrate labor.
Speaker 2:National Day to celebrate labor. So we we talked a little bit about Memorial Day, some of the things that you can do to kind of remember what Memorial Day was all about. Right, it wasn't necessarily a celebration. It was a time to remember, give thanks, what are some things you know, if people really want to understand what Labor Day was in a couple of weeks, a couple of Mondays no-transcript.
Speaker 3:I don't want to sound superficial, but take a look at your paycheck. I mean, you know it's. You know I don't know how paychecks look everywhere else, but I know in my paycheck I see what I made my gross. And then I look over and I see the money that comes out for insurance and dental and all this stuff. And none of that, none of that exists without some kind of pushback. You know, without telling the employer or employee that listen, if you want a happy workforce or if you want a workforce that's going to work for you and stay, there's certain things that you have to implement you know, that you have to do in order to keep that Look around where you work.
Speaker 3:You know, If you don't have the safety mechanisms that are supposed to exist, then you need to take a step to do something about that, you know, Like air conditioning, right?
Speaker 2:It's August in Florida. Can you imagine we're not talking about air conditioning right now? It's been working. Knock on wood. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, Hillsborough County Schools, yeah, air conditioning.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, seriously, air conditioning the number of hours you work. Sometimes you don't know what you got until it's gone, you know, and so, but that goes back to knowing history. You know, I can't imagine. You know my family a few generations ago were driving a train in West Virginia, new York, working with the coal and, and many of them, you know, got black lung and they they just lived, they looked like raw, they looked rough. But, todd, I mean you can see both of us. We still look pretty good, you know and.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm, I'm almost 50, you know, I'm with that, sir, brother, your age out there.
Speaker 3:But it's. But can you? You, I mean you look at some of these pictures from like the 1900s, late 1890s yeah, people looked terrible. And you look at the kids, like sometimes I'll put a picture up and and this is, this is probably awful, but I'll put pictures up, uh, of like up around the cities and kids working and stuff like that, and then you gotta. Then you got like I have a picture of three kids on a smoke break, yeah, and I go, I go now I go now, this is not the bathroom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like this is not the bathroom award, this is 19,. You know, early 1900s, literally, kids taking a smoke break before they go back into the mind, you know, and look what you got. You get to go sit in school, which you don't think maybe is a good thing or an important thing. But there's other places you could be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know, you could be digging coal in West Virginia. At what? 12, 13 years old, yeah, or?
Speaker 3:look at yourself in comparison to some of the stuff that's going on around the world right now, where you have kids in mines doing doing the very things that we were doing back in the late 18, early 1900s, and and get a perspective on the benefits of the movement, the benefits of history, the benefits of living in this country.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know that's a great perspective on it. That that's really good. That's really good. So I I pulled a couple of questions off the labor website and I figured we'd roll reverse here and see how the teacher does on some labor. It's the from the from the website from the US Department of Labor website.
Speaker 3:OK.
Speaker 2:Are you game? See, I didn't even. Yeah, I'm game.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm game, I mean my Internet might go out. The question is to do. But I'm game, I mean my Internet might go out.
Speaker 2:The question is too too, but I'm game. Yeah, OK, ok, ok, I bet you get this one. Which president? So this isn't Labor Day, this is the Department of Labor, so you know it's kind of jives. Which president signed the act that created the US Department of Labor?
Speaker 3:Oh wow, I was hoping you were saying what president.
Speaker 2:You already said that one. It's Grover Cleveland. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:You didn't give me a softball at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Do you want to hear it? I can give you a hint no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Hang on, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking. Department of.
Speaker 2:Labor. It was at the very end of his.
Speaker 3:It wasn't Woodrow Wilson, was it.
Speaker 2:It was not A little bit before him.
Speaker 3:Before him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was 1913.
Speaker 3:Oh, that would be. Oh, shoot, william Howard Taft. Yeah, that's it. It was at the very end of his tenure as president Taft created the.
Speaker 2:US Department of Labor. Yeah, because he was more of a business guy, wasn't he?
Speaker 3:Well he was, it's sad to say. He was like Roosevelt's disappointment. It was one of the rare times that a president like Roosevelt was so popular that he was able to appoint basically nominate his own successor, right. But. But the reason I'm interested in that is because Taft Taft was a little more conservative than Roosevelt was yeah, right he did go after. He did go after the. A lot of businesses like we call. We call Roosevelt the trust buster because he went after the trust. A lot of businesses like we call.
Speaker 2:We call Roosevelt the trust buster, cause he went after the trust and that tapped actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, teddy, I'm sorry, teddy Roosevelt, um, but tapped actually, uh, took down more than than Roosevelt did, and uh, and so maybe, maybe I shouldn't be surprised by that. You know that he, he, uh, uh, established a department of labor. Um, that's, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:I got two more, though, oh no.
Speaker 3:Here's the softball.
Speaker 2:What are the two big standards that were created by the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938? And there's probably a ton, but there's two big ones. Two big ones. It's kind of what you talked about. You talked about the things that we take for granted today, that are part of our normal work work environment 38. You said yeah 1938 fair labor standards act.
Speaker 3:So that was like new deal yeah, we talked a little bit about this. Franklin roosevelt I. Why was it? Uh, was it maybe one of the bread butter? Things like the hours work like eight hour work day. Yep, 40 hour work week, that's one of them okay, yeah, right on, and yeah and and maybe, um, I don't think it was, it wasn't minimum wage, was it?
Speaker 2:no? No, it was minimum wage. It was Yay, you're two for two. Give yourself some credit.
Speaker 3:That one should count as two. Yeah, I should be two for three.
Speaker 2:There you go. You're two for three. You got it. This is a good one. Okay, what do Montel Williams, carol O'Connor, johnny Cash, batman, the Adam West version of Batman and the Flintstones all have in common? Think Department of.
Speaker 3:Labor wow, Adam Montel Williams. How does Montel Williams feel about it?
Speaker 2:there's more I could have added to this list too.
Speaker 3:Oh really, there's a whole list.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's a whole list. You want the answer?
Speaker 3:Hang on. Hang on the Flintstones.
Speaker 2:The Flintstones, montel and Johnny Cash Batman.
Speaker 3:Copyright or something you ready, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe they had labor violations or something you ready.
Speaker 3:Maybe they had labor violations or something I'm dead?
Speaker 2:I don't know. They all appeared in labor department PSAs.
Speaker 3:Oh, come on.
Speaker 2:How am I supposed to know that I don't know? You're not, I've never seen a department of. I bet you have. Because it all leads into what I wanted to share, and hopefully this is going to work. If not, I'll just edit it in.
Speaker 3:Are these like the Saturday morning or cartoon PSAs or something?
Speaker 2:Pretty similar. You can see my screen now maybe. Oh my gosh. Yes, yes, I see Adam.
Speaker 3:West up there in the old.
Speaker 2:The Savings Bond one I remember that one. But this is hilarious. The savings bond one. I remember that one, but this is hilarious. So this is the Adam West Labor Department PSA. Bat Girl is complaining that she doesn't get paid as much as Robin does.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, this is awesome. I think I've seen this in a meme.
Speaker 2:You ready oh?
Speaker 3:no yeah.
Speaker 2:Here we go. This is 30 seconds of your life here.
Speaker 1:Okay, a ticking bomb means trouble for Batman and Robin.
Speaker 3:Holy breaking and entering it's Batgirl, rick Batgirl, untie us before it's too late.
Speaker 1:It's already too late. I've worked for you a long time and I'm paid less than Robin. Same job, same employer means equal pay for men and women.
Speaker 3:No time for jokes.
Speaker 1:Batgirl, it's no joke. It's the federal equal pay law, holy act of congress. If you're not getting equal pay, contact the wage and hour division.
Speaker 3:Us department of labor there you go you know, I holy act of congress batman, I holy act I have to. I have to confess, the only time I've seen that yeah, is they stop at Batman saying don't be silly Batgirl, and then they stop the commercial. So I did not know that there was a rest of that commercial. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's terrific.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought that was fun.
Speaker 3:So you did great.
Speaker 2:You did great for not knowing the questions coming up, and at least you give your kids a chance to study.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, I got to spend more time on the Department of Labor website, I guess.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, I'll tell you what it's. Something else.
Speaker 3:Riveting it is. It's awesome Well listen.
Speaker 2:Chad, thank you for your time today. It was really insightful and, I think, really gave us some new perspective on the importance of Labor Day and the union thing and all the real benefits that even folks that work in offices benefit from what unions have done in the past. And still, there's still definitely a role for unions in what it is that this country does, because it's like a pendulum right Things swing in one direction and then they swing in another, and it's a good thing that we have checks and balances on both sides to make sure things continue to go as smoothly as they possibly can. So great.
Speaker 2:What's the next holiday we're going to talk about?
Speaker 3:Let's see what do we have coming?
Speaker 2:up what's after Labor Day?
Speaker 3:Oh hello, veterans Day, memorial Day, I think, isn't it no?
Speaker 2:no, we could. Veterans Day is coming up in November.
Speaker 3:Veterans Day is in November. Maybe we can do that I am not.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to touch Columbus Day, though, so just just saying that would be fun.
Speaker 3:Would it be fun? Yeah, I don't like to learn more. Show both sides of the show. Both sides of the argument.
Speaker 2:You know sure, For sure.
Speaker 3:That's what I do for a living, so we can do it. I love it. Thank you, all right. Thank you, todd.
Speaker 1:The best part of Labor Day is the opportunity to honor and celebrate the contributions of workers to the strength, prosperity and progress of the country. It is also a time to enjoy picnics and outdoor activities with family and friends.
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